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Welcome aboard, Sean ... (from aka Ladislaus).

I submit that Archbishop Lefebvre was himself a "sede-doubtist" (a term I think I coined some years ago on CathInfo.com, starting out as tongue-in-cheek term, since it's a conflation of Latin and English ... but then it actually started to make sense).

Neither dogmatic SV nor dogmatic R&R cared for my position, so I got it from all sides ... but it's what makes the most sense to me.

See, normally theologians hold the legitimacy of a Pope to be dogmatic fact, certain with the certainty of faith, but since not only +Lefebvre, but also +Williamson, and +Tissier all admitted at different times that it's POSSIBLE that these have not been legitimate popes ... and to admit of a possibility precludes the certainty of faith regarding the contrary ... they were never really "sedeplenists", but more those who in the practical order gave the benefit of the doubt (a doubt that the dogmatic SVs claim does not exist. Cf. +Sanborn's condemnation of "Opinionism").

Now, the problem with dogmatic SV is that they fail to recognize that the SV conclusion, while it most certainly does have a dogmatic premise, the Major (with which +Lefebvre agreed, BTW), there are additional (Minor) premises involved that do not enjoy the certainty of faith. Therefore, according to what I refer to as the "logical weakest link" principle, "peiorem partem sequitur conclusio", the conclusion (that the See is vacant) cannot be dogmatically certain either.

Canon Law experts (pre-V2) state that one is not to be accounted a schismatic for refusing submission to the Holy See ... if there are well-founded doubts about the legitimacy of those claiming to hold the office (among other reasons), and other theologians state that a "doubtful pope is no pope" (at least in the practical order, and for all intents and purposes).

Thus ... the "sede-doubtist" position, which is the only one that makes sense. Both of the dogmatic sides err in asserting that either conclusion can be imposed on consciences, and there's a danger of schism in either direction.

God bless, Sean. Glad to see you around.

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Also, Sean, stop on over ... as the first few posts on my Subatack made available audios of complete classes taught by Bishop Williamson, some of which I had to clean up to get rid of the background noise. https://vladsarto.substack.com

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